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Community Meeting June 17 2021

Agenda/Notes

  • Outreach and Engagement

    • TrenchBoot Developers Forum

      • Determine time period and/or dates

        • Piotr feels every 12 mo would be quite long
          • is six months too short to discuss things
          • thinks sept. we should have something
          • OSFC planned for Dec.
        • Rich, should do it when things get cold and are locked up
          • Do TB talks at multiple events
          • We should have an internal event, but maybe make it a DRTM event
        • DK, LPC at end of 24Sept
          • Should have confirmation by the end of June for LPC MC
          • should have slots available for TB talks

      • Select chairman to oversee planning/coordination

        • Piotr we would like to help but cannot do it alone
          • will engage IBM POWER about sponsoring
        • Rich recommends bring the topic up at DRTM related meetings and try to find a corporate sponsor

    • TrenchBoot website

      • Identify content that would like to be on the site

        • Piotr: coreboot is hooking to rss feeds that feed into blog
          • will look at what coreboot implementation
          • will look at mkdocs setup to move TB documentation over to
        • DanK: will speak with a colleague, will have a response when back from vacation

      • Discuss approach to maintenance/development

        • should apply GH auto fixes

    • TrenchBoot Social Media

      • Review social media accounts and strategy
        • Twitter
        • LinkedIn project site/group
        • Others?

  • Project

    • Moving AMD support forward

      • LZ renaming

        • Piotr thinks AMD should be involved in TB AMD related topics
          • we should also try to get them involved with the call
        • Rich, this is a public meeting, may need to have NDA meeting

      • LZ IOMMU approach adoption

        • Ross: just adopt current proposed approach as a starting place
          • yes the pitsaw card could be used
        • Piotr, the current approach is better than nothing
          • are there tests?
        • Kanth: can the pitsaw card be used to test iommu for txt, can be used for AMD

      • DRTM log approach adoption

        • Piotr: based on TCG spec
          • this is where the HCL will be useful
          • can test Ross changes for linux kernel
          • will work on "legacy mode" support
        • Ross: need to handle system without the ACPI table
          • can make so that the ACPI table is preferred approach then fail back to non-ACPI table
          • for the LZ will need to also be made to handle non-ACPI table situation (legacy mode)
          • will work on "legacy mode" support
        • Daniel: merge the PR
          • has been confirmed on pc-engines

      • iPXE support

    • Upcoming v2 LKML submission

      • Ross: it looks like it will be going out tomorrow (6/18/2021)

    • GRUB submission

      • Daniel K: currently working with Lukasz and will looking to submit in July
        • will be working with 3mdeb on aligning AMD changes

    • Deployment/Adoption support

      • TrenchBoot Hardware Compatibility List

        • How to check if my hardware is supported or can be supported?
          • Piotr: resource constrained but we need something very basic
            • what all should be checked, log, pcrs, etc
            • this is QubesOS HCL as an example
            • list of hardware for people to get started with
          • Rich:
            • there are a lot of things that make you feel better but not gain much
              • maybe skip over that and focus on community
            • biggest issues will be with hardware that is not MS certified
            • both OXT and Qubes HCL are not correct because every system has quirks

      • TrenchBoot Canonical Demo

      • TrenchBoot as AEM for QubesOS

        • Piotr: would be good to assist with anit-evil maid demo

    • Test automation (Kanth)

      • Rich suggest this is a place for Qemu support for DRTM to enable software based testing
        • at tdf txt lead mentioned txt test suite in FWUPD
        • we should get OEM testing
        • could TB lead DRTM test suite development
        • if there isn't one, who is willing to fund its development
        • live cd is not enough, need to build a cross-community project
        • this can be a theme for the DRTM event
      • Piotr agrees that this FWUPD testing support is desired
      • Kanth, Oracle will be increasing supported platforms and would like to see automated testing/validation
        • Oracle would be interested in helping with building a DRTM test framework
      • Daniel K: GRUB does not have automated testing but it is in progress
        • thinks it would be quite easy to introduce tests for preamble

  • Additional Topics (time permitting)

    • DRTM/TrenchBoot for Arm

      • Stuart: Beta spec will be public by fall and possible reference implementation
      • Rich: coordinate a TB event around Arm event/announcement

    • Plan for SMM

      • intel whitepaper on SMM DRTM protection

    • Integration with FWUPD hardware security test

  • General Business

    • Open floor for community members

    • Next meeting

      • Piotr we missed several topics
        • discuss getting more resources
        • fobnail
        • testing
      • Rich we should not do meetings during the summer and do out-of-band discussions (chat/email)
        • perhaps use OSFC TB slack
      • Will be done virtually via TB slack channel